I like the idea of having a software supply chain that people can pay into that basically funds a universal bug bounty system for anything that matters.
You can put systems in place that utilize zero knowledge exploitability proofs to automate bounty triage, so it doesn't even need to be run by a central trusted entity. As the bounty markets stabilize, what you're left with is a software ecosystem where anyone can build what they need and directly query the estimated cost of attack from point A to point B on any set of capabilities, and any security claim "Your emails are safe with Microsoft" etc can actually be economically quantified. Hosting providers can use their subscription income to pay into the bounty funds of the parts of the supply chain they rely on, thus making their services more attractive to users (and bug hunters).
On the other side of this, you now have a world of vuln researchers and their pet LLMs grinding and searching away for unexplored attack paths they can cash in on. Of course these bounty systems can also work for optimization bounties for people making code faster, or feature bounties. Some kid somewhere has an idea for a feature in some piece of software that they're using, so they post about it, and a few thousand people chip in, and when the bounty becomes appetizing enough, someone's AI pet grabs it, and they get paid, and within minutes the update is deployed into the ecosystem.
Then, on everyone's device, depending on their risk tolerance and their use case, the AI can decide if this new update is supported enough by the ecosystem yet to apply. Maybe we don't apply it now, but maybe in 30 mins if no one has found anything weird in it. This is the dream, right? Fully automated self improving, self healing software ecosystem where researchers can get paid without even needing to talk to anyone :-D
- DEAN
On Sat, Nov 15, 2025 at 6:32 PM Dave Aitel via Dailydave < dailydave@lists.aitelfoundation.org> wrote:
How would one actually move the actual bar in defense? A big part of me thinks that you're just not going to patch your way out of the problem. But the number of organizations that you can rely on to actually make a difference seems pretty small? Like even converting every Linux binary to rust would only make sense if you could find a team that could actually maintain and support that code base, which I don't know that you could.
Like in a sense, what you have to do is completely rebuild how you're building software and have the large language model be the intermediary for everything?
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